July 15, 2026

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🎙 "POP" Season 23: The List 📋👟 📝 🐏🩵🏀 WHAT IS A TAR HEEL? 🏀🩵🐏 After years of searching, we may have finally found someone qualified to answer the most impossible question of all time. 😂🤔 📝 Terrence Newby played four years at the University of North Carolina, competed in **three Final Fours**, and shared the court with Carolina legends like Vince Carter, Ed Cota, and Antawn Jamison. 🏀🔥🏆 📝 That is a whole lot of Carolina blue. 🩵🐏🙌 📝 Terrence also played for one of the greatest coaches in basketball history, the legendary Dean Smith. 🐐🏀 He shares one lesson from Coach Smith that has stayed with him long after he left Chapel Hill: 📝 Four things you do when you make a mistake: 🧠💭 1️⃣ Recognize it 👀 2️⃣ Admit it 🙋‍♂️ 3️⃣ Learn from it 📚 4️⃣ Forget it ➡️ Simple advice. ✅ Much harder to live out. 💯 📝 Because behind the Carolina jersey is a story that goes much deeper than basketball. 🩵👕❤️‍🩹 📝 Terrence opens up about growing up with a father who struggled with drug addiction and why “Pop” became the hardest person on his list to forgive. 📋💔 📝 We talk about family 👨‍👦, disappointment 😔, mistakes 🫣, forgiveness 🙏, Carolina basketball 🏀, and what it takes to move forward without pretending the past never happened. 👣➡️ 📝 And yes, Terrence finally answers the question that has confused people for generations: 😂🤯 📝 🐏 WHAT IS A TAR HEEL? 🩵 📝 🎧 Listen now to "Pop” at opspodcast.com 👟🎙🩵 #OtherPeoplesShoes #CarolinaBasketball #TheList #Forgiveness

🎙 POP

SEASON 23: THE LIST

Some names are difficult to forgive because of what someone did.

Others are difficult because of everything they failed to do.

For Terrence Newby, the hardest person on his list is his own father, a man whose addiction repeatedly came before having a relationship with his son.

In this episode of Other People’s Shoes, Terrence opens up about growing up around addiction, watching drugs affect his father and other members of his family, and carrying those experiences with him into adulthood.

Forgiveness does not erase what happened.

It does not excuse the choices someone made.

But it may decide how long those choices continue to shape our lives.

Terrence also takes us inside Carolina basketball, shares what he learned from legendary coach Dean Smith, and answers one of the most impossible questions of all time:

What exactly is a Tar Heel?

📝 GUEST INTRODUCTION

Terrence Newby played four years of basketball at the University of North Carolina under legendary head coach Dean Smith.

A talented and versatile guard, Terrence could play both the point guard and shooting guard positions. He was one of two seniors on the team alongside Ed Cota and helped provide depth after an injury to Ronald Curry.

Terrence was also a strong perimeter shooter, a solid defensive player, and an exceptional all-around athlete who could have played Division I football or baseball in addition to basketball.

During his time at Carolina, Terrence was part of three Final Four teams and shared the court with Tar Heel legends including Vince Carter, Ed Cota, Antawn Jamison, and many others.

But behind the Carolina jersey was a son trying to understand why his father continued choosing drugs over having a relationship with him.