Aug. 26, 2026

Growth

🎙️ "GROWTH" 🌱 The season finale of "The List" brings us to Greg Pihs and a conversation about something that may be harder than forgiveness itself: growing into forgiveness. 📝 Greg is a U.S. Marine veteran, bestselling author, NLP trainer, and founder of the 4th Dimension Mastermind. His story includes a traumatic childhood, multiple combat deployments, and a journey toward understanding how pain can shape our identity without having to control our future. 📝 The person on Greg's list is someone many of us would struggle to forgive. I won't give that part of the story away, but this conversation left me asking the same question I've wrestled with throughout this entire season: "How do you forgive someone when what they did feels unforgivable?" Maybe forgiveness isn't something we suddenly figure out. Maybe it's something we grow into. 🌱 📝 “Growth” closes Season 23: The List, a season filled with difficult names, painful stories, unexpected forgiveness, and conversations that have challenged the way I think about carrying hurt. I'd genuinely love to know what this season has meant to those who have walked through it with us and what conversations stayed with you. 📝 And while "The List" is ending, Other People's Shoes isn't. 🔎 A brand-new season begins next week. For now, welcome to the season finale. 🎧 Listen at OPSpodcast.com

🎙 Growth

Season 23: The List | Guest: Greg Pihs

What if forgiveness is something we have to grow into?

All season long, The List has asked us to think about the names we carry. The people who hurt us. The people who disappointed us. The people whose names we might rather cross out than forgive.

For our season finale, Greg Pihs brings us face-to-face with one of the hardest questions of the entire season:

Can we grow beyond what someone did to us without pretending it didn't hurt?

Greg's person on The List is someone many of us would find incredibly difficult to forgive. We're not going to tell you who. That's part of the story you need to hear for yourself.

But much like so many conversations this season, Neil walks away wondering:

How on earth do you forgive that?

Welcome to “Growth,” the season finale of The List.

📝 GUEST INTRODUCTION

Greg Pihs is a U.S. Marine veteran, NLP trainer, bestselling author, and founder of the 4th Dimension Mastermind.

After surviving a deeply traumatic childhood and navigating life after multiple combat deployments, Greg dedicated his life to understanding the way our minds shape the reality we experience and how we can begin taking that power back.

He is the bestselling author of The Power In The Pain and creator of Step Into Your Power. With this live breakthrough experience, participants confront limiting beliefs, including literally walking across fire.

Today, Greg works with entrepreneurs, coaches, and leaders to help them reprogram their identity, own their stories, and build lives rooted in personal power.

📝 EPISODE DETAILS

In “Growth,” Neil and Greg explore:

🌱 Why forgiveness may be something we grow into rather than arrive at overnight

🧠 How our beliefs and internal stories shape the way we experience pain

🎒 What happens when childhood trauma follows us into adulthood

🇺🇸 The impact of Greg's experiences as a U.S. Marine and multiple combat deployments

🔥 Why confronting limiting beliefs can require us to walk directly toward what scares us

👟 How we can acknowledge what someone did without allowing it to define the rest of our lives

📝 The person on Greg's list and the difficult road toward forgiveness

💭 What it means to develop a growth mindset around pain, hurt, identity, and healing

🌱 How our deepest pain can become part of our growth without becoming our identity

And underneath the entire conversation is the question that has followed us throughout this season:

What do we do with the names that are hardest to take off our list?

📝 MEMORABLE QUOTE

“Maybe forgiveness isn't where growth ends. Maybe growth is how we get there.”

📝 CONNECT WITH GUEST

🌐 Website | 📸 Instagram

Learn more about Greg Pihs, The Power In The Pain, the 4th Dimension Mastermind, and his work at Power In The Pain.

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📝 LEAVE US A REVIEW

If The List has challenged you to think differently about forgiveness, empathy, or one of the names you've been carrying, we'd love to hear from you.

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Twenty-three seasons have brought us here.

We have talked about the names we write down, the names we hold onto, the names we struggle to forgive, and sometimes the hardest name of all: our own.

Maybe we don't finish The List because every name suddenly disappears.

Maybe we finish because we've grown enough to stop letting the list determine how we walk forward.

Thank you, Greg, for helping us close this season with a conversation worthy of the journey.

And thank you for walking through The List with us.

Thank you for walking in other people's shoes. 👟🩵